{"content":{"sharePage":{"page":0,"digests":[{"id":"53942830","dateCreated":"1336572838","smartDate":"May 9, 2012","userCreated":{"username":"donohm29","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/donohm29","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/pic\/1328812880\/donohm29-lg.jpg"},"monitored":false,"locked":false,"links":{"self":"https:\/\/civilwar2012.wikispaces.com\/share\/view\/53942830"},"dateDigested":1532390120,"startDate":null,"sharedType":"discussion","title":"Re: Charlie Firer 5\/8\/12","description":"Matt Donohue comment-I believe that Charlie's point about the Union victory at Vicksburg was a so called dagger for the Confederates.  I have to disagree with the point made about trade though, I feel that the Union had that under wraps with the blockade they formed early in the war.","replyPages":[{"page":0,"digests":[{"id":"54054146","body":"i also agree with Charlie.  This control of Vicksburg was really the start of the Union domination at the end of the war.  I also thought it was a great point that the had completed there plan from the beginning of the war which was the anaconda plan.","dateCreated":"1336760153","smartDate":"May 11, 2012","userCreated":{"username":"mclaur29","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/mclaur29","imageUrl":"https:\/\/ssl.wikicdn.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}},{"id":"54080658","body":"I third the thought about the War-time dagger. But technically (or psychologically), the Confederates never lost. Perhaps it would be fitting to say the south was playing dead?","dateCreated":"1336877163","smartDate":"May 12, 2012","userCreated":{"username":"freunn10","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/freunn10","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/pic\/1329864569\/freunn10-lg.jpg"}},{"id":"54091518","body":"I think it's kind of interesting when people look back at the Civil War and say South lost.  This is far from true, After the war they wern't really punished and up until now they get to keep their agricultural way of life.  Besides losing the irght to slavery it's arguable that they won they may have won the war.","dateCreated":"1336930239","smartDate":"May 13, 2012","userCreated":{"username":"powerk19","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/powerk19","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/pic\/1332202074\/powerk19-lg.jpg"}},{"id":"54130150","body":"I think Noah is right about the fact that the Confederates never truly lost, and that there was never a real dagger through the Confederates cause.","dateCreated":"1337017053","smartDate":"May 14, 2012","userCreated":{"username":"16ButtonsOfJustice","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/16ButtonsOfJustice","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/pic\/1328812296\/16ButtonsOfJustice-lg.jpg"}},{"id":"54140742","body":"I completely agree.  The worst part for the southerners that their defeat brought on was embarassment which is like a slap on the wrist when compared to those defeated in other civil war throughout the world.","dateCreated":"1337034064","smartDate":"May 14, 2012","userCreated":{"username":"nelsoc25","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/nelsoc25","imageUrl":"https:\/\/ssl.wikicdn.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}},{"id":"54144516","body":"I would like to state that the south did lose the war and the north won.  However, the south did win, because like every other battle, the north did not follow up on their victory.  That allowed the south to presserve their way of life, as long as they did.","dateCreated":"1337043335","smartDate":"May 14, 2012","userCreated":{"username":"meyerm07","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/meyerm07","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/pic\/1328812219\/meyerm07-lg.jpg"}},{"id":"54146586","body":"I agree with the fact that the worst part of the defeat for the confederates was the embarrassment and the dishonor that was experienced.  This was the worst thing that you could possibly do to a confederate\/southerner during this time.","dateCreated":"1337047292","smartDate":"May 14, 2012","userCreated":{"username":"Durst27","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/Durst27","imageUrl":"https:\/\/ssl.wikicdn.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}},{"id":"54148064","body":"Pat Bassi comment: I 100% agree with Kyle on this one. like Mr. Lese said in class the other day ( heck maybe today even, can't quite remember for sure sorry), sure the south lost slavery, but besides a ton of economic reliances and have to rebuild, they really kept there segregated way of life that they had had for a long time. Not too much changed for them besides numbers and logistics.","dateCreated":"1337050605","smartDate":"May 14, 2012","userCreated":{"username":"starsandbars","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/starsandbars","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/pic\/1331506979\/starsandbars-lg.jpg"}},{"id":"54150978","body":"I would definitely agree with the others in this thread. The re-constructionists were so focused on their goal of reunification that they de-emphasized civil rights as a result. It is definitely true that certain goals of the civil war were traded for others, such as civil rights for quick reconciliation.","dateCreated":"1337058925","smartDate":"May 14, 2012","userCreated":{"username":"pucka27","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/pucka27","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/pic\/1328812351\/pucka27-lg.jpg"}},{"id":"54179402","body":"The winning of the battles of Gettysburg and Vicksburg really turned things around for the Union.  They had a confidence momentum and were victories overall.  I would agree with Charlie's points.","dateCreated":"1337115845","smartDate":"May 15, 2012","userCreated":{"username":"lawtos05","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/lawtos05","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/pic\/1328811951\/lawtos05-lg.jpg"}},{"id":"54193332","body":"I agree with the rest of this thread that Vicksburg and Gettysburg were huge turning points for the Union to be able to get back into the war. But why? I think it is because, as stated in class, the North at this time began to hate the South. The South had been hating the North throughout the war but the North was just beginning. This is also the reason that the South got what they wanted after the war instead of being punished. By the end of the war the Union had not hated the South long enough for it to settle into the people in general to be able to punish them afterwards. This is how the South was able to retain their way of life for around another century after the end of the war,","dateCreated":"1337146371","smartDate":"May 15, 2012","userCreated":{"username":"buffoa07","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/buffoa07","imageUrl":"https:\/\/ssl.wikicdn.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}}],"more":0}]},{"id":"53564446","dateCreated":"1335796003","smartDate":"Apr 30, 2012","userCreated":{"username":"idarra30","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/idarra30","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/pic\/1328811967\/idarra30-lg.jpg"},"monitored":false,"locked":false,"links":{"self":"https:\/\/civilwar2012.wikispaces.com\/share\/view\/53564446"},"dateDigested":1532390121,"startDate":null,"sharedType":"discussion","title":"Abolitionism in the Army","description":"Charlies point about the 138th Illinois deserters is intriguing, and challenges traditional perspectives about the feelings of the Union soldiers regarding emancipation and the war in general.","replyPages":[{"page":0,"digests":[],"more":0}]},{"id":"51569218","dateCreated":"1331491257","smartDate":"Mar 11, 2012","userCreated":{"username":"klugm15","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/klugm15","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/pic\/1328812370\/klugm15-lg.jpg"},"monitored":false,"locked":false,"links":{"self":"https:\/\/civilwar2012.wikispaces.com\/share\/view\/51569218"},"dateDigested":1532390121,"startDate":null,"sharedType":"discussion","title":"Re: Charlie Firer 3\/3\/12","description":"I feel like so much emphasis is put on the political causes of the war but this scene is a clear example that not all southerners were fighting to keep slavery but rather, like Charlie said, to protect the lifestyle and homeland that the southerners had so much pride in.","replyPages":[{"page":0,"digests":[{"id":"51581738","body":"I agree with you guys but at the same time I don't.  You are saying that he doesn't talk about the south fighting for slavery but they are fighting to keep there "way of life".  I do not agree with this because slavery is very much a part of their "way of life".  They are fighting just as much for slavery because without it their economy and the ways that they have been living up until that time are completely useless.","dateCreated":"1331513140","smartDate":"Mar 11, 2012","userCreated":{"username":"nelsoc25","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/nelsoc25","imageUrl":"https:\/\/ssl.wikicdn.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}},{"id":"51585486","body":"Not even insofar as to keep their way of life, the South deliberately fought for the reason alone that the North was occupying its territory. Lincoln said that he had no intention to disturb slavery where it stood. While the secession may have been over concern for the Southern way of life, the war itself was fought because the South had been explicitly invaded.","dateCreated":"1331518134","smartDate":"Mar 11, 2012","userCreated":{"username":"pucka27","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/pucka27","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/pic\/1328812351\/pucka27-lg.jpg"}},{"id":"51585838","body":"I agree on Puck's point, because I believe the South was truly fighting the North back because they felt like their land was being invaded. The South did fight to keep their way of life, and slavery was involved in that image.","dateCreated":"1331518628","smartDate":"Mar 11, 2012","userCreated":{"username":"hippm29","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/hippm29","imageUrl":"https:\/\/ssl.wikicdn.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}},{"id":"51586370","body":"I believe that the South was not merely fighting because the North was on their soil, because let us not forget that it was the South who fired the first shots against a federal instillation at Fort Sumter. I think the south way over reacted to the actions of John Brown and were mainly fighting because they stereotyped the Northern population, in particular, Lincoln when he gained his presidency.","dateCreated":"1331519454","smartDate":"Mar 11, 2012","userCreated":{"username":"buffoa07","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/buffoa07","imageUrl":"https:\/\/ssl.wikicdn.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}},{"id":"51602020","body":"I feel that the South wanted to make it seem like pride was their main goal, however I think the pride that they so much wanted stemmed from slavery and the use of it.","dateCreated":"1331564874","smartDate":"Mar 12, 2012","userCreated":{"username":"lawtos05","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/lawtos05","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/pic\/1328811951\/lawtos05-lg.jpg"}},{"id":"51618860","body":"I think that the southern viewpoint on the war was, like others have said, to keep their pride and to maintain their way of life, which would be seriously hindered by northern laws.","dateCreated":"1331582840","smartDate":"Mar 12, 2012","userCreated":{"username":"16ButtonsOfJustice","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/16ButtonsOfJustice","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/pic\/1328812296\/16ButtonsOfJustice-lg.jpg"}},{"id":"51619666","body":"It's important to think of the two distinct cultural groups present in the South at this time. The minority were slave owners, and were moderately wealthy and therefore had more power than the majority, who were poorer laborers and subsistence farmers. Yes, southerners did feel that their "way of life" was threatened, but slavery made up a big part of that life. For the majority, fear of a northern invasion of their home motivated action, but one cannot ignore the importance slavery had on the secession choice.","dateCreated":"1331584274","smartDate":"Mar 12, 2012","userCreated":{"username":"Losind16","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/Losind16","imageUrl":"https:\/\/ssl.wikicdn.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}},{"id":"51629312","body":"Matt donohue comment- The video you posted gives a very interesting perspective that is greatly overlooked by alot of material we have looked at.  It truly raises the point of what was the souths main goals.  It is very thought provocing to think that the south was just fighing to save the economy","dateCreated":"1331597984","smartDate":"Mar 12, 2012","userCreated":{"username":"donohm29","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/donohm29","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/pic\/1328812880\/donohm29-lg.jpg"}},{"id":"51633216","body":"I agree with Charlie here. At the beginning of the war, 6% of southerners were slave owners. so tell me what were the other 94% fighting for...","dateCreated":"1331603286","smartDate":"Mar 12, 2012","userCreated":{"username":"white_lightning1860","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/white_lightning1860","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/pic\/1328840992\/white_lightning1860-lg.jpg"}},{"id":"51633870","body":"I feel as though the video does not focus a whole lot on the goals of the war. True, they mentioned that Lincoln wanted to preserve the Union at all costs, with or without abolishing slavery. The south clearly wanted to preserve their old ways of slavery and cotton production. But the videos mostly focus on the happenings of all the battles and don't necessarily return to the goals of the war.","dateCreated":"1331604381","smartDate":"Mar 12, 2012","userCreated":{"username":"luekej23","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/luekej23","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/pic\/1328812692\/luekej23-lg.jpg"}},{"id":"51705430","body":"i feel that the south really did just want to keep their way of life, and i feel that just because all southerners were not slave owners dont mean that they were abolitionists, so at the end of the day i think that it was fought definetly for slavery (among other reasons, obviously).","dateCreated":"1331740626","smartDate":"Mar 14, 2012","userCreated":{"username":"starsandbars","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/starsandbars","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/pic\/1331506979\/starsandbars-lg.jpg"}},{"id":"51898736","body":"I agree, i feel that the South may have known, or the idea may have come across, that slavery is not exactly the right thing to be doing.  But after the way the Federal Government had been treating them and their way and their way of life that was upheld by honor they couldn't really back down or admit they were wrong.  They had to continue what had been started no matter what they believed.","dateCreated":"1332201044","smartDate":"Mar 19, 2012","userCreated":{"username":"powerk19","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/powerk19","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/pic\/1332202074\/powerk19-lg.jpg"}}],"more":3}]},{"id":"51554118","dateCreated":"1331421235","smartDate":"Mar 10, 2012","userCreated":{"username":"freunn10","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/freunn10","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/pic\/1329864569\/freunn10-lg.jpg"},"monitored":false,"locked":false,"links":{"self":"https:\/\/civilwar2012.wikispaces.com\/share\/view\/51554118"},"dateDigested":1532390122,"startDate":null,"sharedType":"discussion","title":"RE: Mark Maurer- 3\/7\/12 ","description":"I agree with Mark on his point about Emancipation. Lincoln's proclamation did not free slaves, but gave them a reason to fight. That's the true beauty of Abraham Lincoln's thinking: giving people what they need and what the Country needs at the same time.","replyPages":[{"page":0,"digests":[],"more":0}]}],"more":false},"comments":[]},"http":{"code":200,"status":"OK"},"redirectUrl":null,"javascript":null,"notices":{"warning":[],"error":[],"info":[],"success":[]}}